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Kodi on Android might come to an end!
04-29-2016, 09:58 AM
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Kodi on Android might come to an end!
According to this article on there are no more android developers in the Kodi community and they are calling for android developers to join or development will end.

http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/04/28/f...evelopers/

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04-29-2016, 10:21 AM
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RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
(04-29-2016 09:58 AM)Willem55 Wrote:  According to this article on there are no more android developers in the Kodi community and they are calling for android developers to join or development will end.

http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/04/28/f...evelopers/

and also:
http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=...pid2321890

fritsch for example debugged the Android AE with debug logs from users, even he don't had an Android box.

so its realy essentiell that Android box makers follow the google guidlines and don't do a custom thing on their box.
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04-29-2016, 10:49 AM
Post: #3
RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
That will be the End for OHC for Kodi Angry
We still have no Lollipop Firmware with Clean Android Standards.
Still a Shame from Rockchip.
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04-29-2016, 11:17 AM
Post: #4
RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
(04-29-2016 10:21 AM)tosh123 Wrote:  
(04-29-2016 09:58 AM)Willem55 Wrote:  According to this article on there are no more android developers in the Kodi community and they are calling for android developers to join or development will end.

http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/04/28/f...evelopers/

and also:
http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=...pid2321890

fritsch for example debugged the Android AE with debug logs from users, even he don't had an Android box.

so its realy essentiell that Android box makers follow the google guidlines and don't do a custom thing on their box.

But even with the "google guidelines"
Koying posted this:

Actually, Kodi 17 is in dire need of Android love, already…
That might not be in the blog post, but the amlogic port is bound to disappear as well if a maintainer is not found real quick.

Read more: http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/04/28/f...z47D24vZIm

No guarantees for manufactures that do comply...... that means again no incentive for them to do so.

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04-29-2016, 11:26 AM (This post was last modified: 04-29-2016 03:22 PM by Willem55.)
Post: #5
RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
(04-29-2016 10:49 AM)DarkStarXxX Wrote:  That will be the End for OHC for Kodi Angry
We still have no Lollipop Firmware with Clean Android Standards.
Still a Shame from Rockchip.

Point is even with clean android standards and something to comply to, Kodi still needs to prove it will support it with respect to the millions of android Kodi users before other manufacturers will invest resources to meet Kodi.
Everybody is looking how Amlogic will do now....

Interesting thread from the usual suspects http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=271551

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05-02-2016, 06:05 AM
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RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
(04-29-2016 11:17 AM)Willem55 Wrote:  
(04-29-2016 10:21 AM)tosh123 Wrote:  
(04-29-2016 09:58 AM)Willem55 Wrote:  According to this article on there are no more android developers in the Kodi community and they are calling for android developers to join or development will end.

http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/04/28/f...evelopers/

and also:
http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=...pid2321890

fritsch for example debugged the Android AE with debug logs from users, even he don't had an Android box.

so its realy essentiell that Android box makers follow the google guidlines and don't do a custom thing on their box.

But even with the "google guidelines"
Koying posted this:

Actually, Kodi 17 is in dire need of Android love, already…
That might not be in the blog post, but the amlogic port is bound to disappear as well if a maintainer is not found real quick.

Yes, thats what i said, special amlogic hacks are still until now in the KODI software because they have released their sources to the KODI team, not like Rockchip.
But now they (KODI team) have decided to remove all special chipset hacks and even amlogic has now to follow the google guidlines..
Do you ever have ask you why they mentined amlogic and not nVidia Nexus or FireTV?

Quote:Read more: http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/04/28/f...z47D24vZIm

No guarantees for manufactures that do comply...... that means again no incentive for them to do so.

No, you simply don't have understand the problem.
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05-02-2016, 07:09 AM (This post was last modified: 05-02-2016 07:11 AM by Willem55.)
Post: #7
RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
Strong argument " you simply don't have understand the problem".........sigh
The problem is SoC manufactures custom Kodi vs Kodi dev support for SoC manufactures complying to Kodi rules.

Amlogic did comply with Kodi rules... and then Kodi Dev changed the rule and actually dropped SoC manufacturers code support in favor of Google guidelines that were not even available when the this hardware came out.
"No guarantees for manufactures that do comply...... that means again no incentive for them to do so."

And now Kodi has nobody maintaining android and you keep blaming SoC manufacturers who now maintain their own custom Kodi..

And Yes, at some point in time when Google guidelines prove to be solid, all SoC manufactures will adopt it in their new Chips SDK and it will all will be simple for Kodi dev.
But for now we are screwed and need to live with the custom Kodi.

Don't expect Android upgrades or new SoC SDK's for cheap old devices.

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05-02-2016, 09:40 AM
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RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
Better off sticking with low power Mini Intel PC. Looking forward to seeing what AMD produce with ZEN/APU..

I'm assuming that the newer intel Kabylake and ZEN APU will be 4K 60Hz compliant and include HD audio Codec pass through.

Saying that if you bought the OHC then you may as well utilize it in the back room or bedroom if your thinking of moving to another device.. Make sure you can run Openelec / Libreelec on it as a bare minimum.

Y'know, I think, I think that a week from now, you'll be less in the mood for being amusing.
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05-02-2016, 09:57 AM
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RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
I'm sticking with my Sigma SoC device as I take optimal picture and audio quality and functionality over any GUI convenience like Kodi.
I have a media player to do media and spend as little time possible in the GUI.

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05-02-2016, 11:19 AM
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RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
(05-02-2016 07:09 AM)Willem55 Wrote:  Amlogic did comply with Kodi rules... and then Kodi Dev changed the rule and actually dropped SoC manufacturers code support in favor of Google guidelines that were not even available when the this hardware came out.

KODI v17 have a lot of changes under the skin. the reason for "dropping" amlogic is, that they don't have any person, that adjust the old code to the new KODI.
So the logical consequence is to drop that support, what should they other do?
If you don't have any maintainer you can only implement (stupid) the API from the OS developer and debug this.
If you have a Android Box that follow these OS guidlines, you have won and get a new KODI, otherwise not.

if it is important for Amlogic is their device properly be supported, they just need to use a maintainer at KODI team

but for OH with the chameleon there is no reason to rejoice according to the motto: a happiness that we have never made a working OS, others fall now too
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05-02-2016, 04:05 PM (This post was last modified: 05-02-2016 04:08 PM by Willem55.)
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RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
Nobody rejoicing here... But the excuses you are making for the Kodi dev Team suck.. ask Koying or read the comments he was getting on github... there never was any love for android at Kodi and we all got screwed.

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05-02-2016, 07:46 PM (This post was last modified: 05-02-2016 07:59 PM by Daveydguk.)
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RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
Trying to herd all the android Soc manufacturers into one pen is impossible due to the fact that the bulk of them are used in China who have no future thinking to develope the android platform further on the worry that they are in competition.. The nvidia shield is probably the most advanced android platform in respects to kodi. Since the decline of the PC, AMD and Intel are moving towards low power SOC devices which are slowly gaining ground on ARM.

Sigma another SOC is also limited compared to a full blown CPU\GPU. MADVR vs Sigma. It already blows it out of the water and energy consumption foot print is reducing all the time.

I think Kodi team are fed up with short minded commerical intellectual property rights which all android SoCs prevail.

At the end of the day it's video and audio codecs which should be standardised for the better of the world community. Alot probably fall fowl of GPL license. And that's why it's a closed shop.

Y'know, I think, I think that a week from now, you'll be less in the mood for being amusing.
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05-05-2016, 08:27 AM
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RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
Too big for their own boots, ego's up the wazzu, arguments within, never gave an android a chance and pushed out android developers, receipe for disaster and it's happening over there.

Sticking with a media player recognised for best in class picture quality, new chip with excellent SDK, concentrates on highend playback. Sigma.

Then get your streamng box now for even more money if androids dropped. Moving into htpc land Big Grin

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Downmix stereo using standard Kodi(MC) 15.2 no hware/acc OK
Downmix stereo 1.0.40/RK Kodi(RKlib) 15.2 infrequent audio gaps hware/acc OK

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Downmix stereo using Gecko Kodi 15.0 OK
Downmix using inbuilt MediaCentre OK

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05-05-2016, 06:44 PM (This post was last modified: 05-05-2016 06:53 PM by Daveydguk.)
Post: #14
RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
Different strokes for different folks. Kodi has become the freetards tool of choice for streaming free stuff. Media Home Player with MADVR has given some of the best PQ ever for 1080p.

I thing we are all suffering the next best thing in AV land on the hard sell. Remember hifis had to have more flashy lights and higher stacks with more separate devices. Amp, pre amp, equalizer, tape deck, record deck, tuner, CD player, DAT drive, SACD.

God bless Sir Alan Sugar for his Super duper all in one hi-fi stack

Y'know, I think, I think that a week from now, you'll be less in the mood for being amusing.
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05-06-2016, 08:42 AM
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RE: Kodi on Android might come to an end!
Audiophiles still use all those separate components and hear the difference between their setup and the all in one box and I not talking about the Amstrad crap from the 70s.
Point is the price - quality ratio of a good media player vs you HTPC is still in favor of the mediaplayer... just open the box and count components.

While we're on the subject of HiFi, ever try to play SACD or DSD audio on you setup?
http://shop.dsdfile.com/free-dsd-download/

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